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Israel was the 'bride' in the OT, and God divorced her. Christ remarried her. He said he came for his own; Israel. Then his death broke the marriage. Jesus confronted the Pharisees saying that being a child of Abraham had no value. Paul reiterated this. | Israel was the 'bride' in the OT, and God divorced her. Christ remarried her. He said he came for his own; Israel. Then his death broke the marriage. Jesus confronted the Pharisees saying that being a child of Abraham had no value. Paul reiterated this. | ||
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Dan Grantham Sorry that you feel the need for a personal taunt rather than a discussion. Since you do not respond to IM's I'll answer here so that you do not confuse others. | |||
Ro 7:1 ... by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. | |||
1. Chapter 2 does not say that the law does not apply to Jesus. In fact, Jesus kept all of the law. | |||
2. You are reading with the error of Augustine, the Nicolaitan, presuming that the scripture is merely literal-historical. We are reading in agreement with Jesus that it ALL speaks of him. | |||
3. When Jesus read, he did not see Adam and Noah, but himself. Therefore the law specifically talks about him as the man, with Israel-church as his bride. Prior to the cross, Israel was the prostitute who chased after false gods. After the cross, the church is the virgin bride. | |||
4. We do not read with a limited context, but presume that the NT teaching originates in the OT. Therefor we look to the OT source for understanding. | |||
Where does this law come from? We do not accept a doctrine from a single verse. See Rule - Rigorous . If someone chooses to argue a doctrine within this hermeneutic, it must be done within the rules or it is mixing Greek rhetoric with Hebrew hermeneutics. | |||
I am unaware of a direct OT doctrine saying that marriage is until death. In it's absence we look for a prophetic pattern to establish doctrine. | |||
The pattern is that widows were allowed to remarry without shame. Tamar, Ruth and Abigail remarried without any hint of disapproval. Orpah was free to remarry. It appears to be the normal and natural thing to do. | |||
This is a prophetic pattern. | |||
In fact, Paul, the author of the verse in question above, plainly states that young widows should remarry, as he interpreted from the OT as we do. 1Ti 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women [widows, see v. 11] marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. | |||
Israel was the 'bride' in the OT, and God divorced her. Christ remarried her. It is clarified in Christ, who as the husband who broke the shadow of the law, without incurring literal guilt by remarrying the bride he divorced, as part of bearing our sin, then died freeing himself and his Israel from the marriage. | |||
Jesus confronted the Pharisees saying that being a child of Abraham had no value. Paul reiterated this. | |||
5. Israel ישראל means "man יש joined to God אל by revelation". This is consistent with the word formations. True Israel began with Eve and the first promise of God to all men. It continued with Noah and the second promise to all men. Again with Abraham, the promise was for all men. | |||
The promise made to Moses through the law was temporary and limited, as you have pointed out in Rom 2. [Thank you for making that point]. | |||
6. The Hebrew word for marriage also means 'doctrine'. The bride are those who are being taught the doctrine of Christ. Since believing Jews formed the church, the remainder national Israel of the flesh, no longer teaches of God. they cannot even say his name יהוה Yahweh, but substitute it with Hashem (the Name). | |||
They no longer depend on God to fight their battles, but on the US taxpayer to fund their endless war. The rabbis teach that when God created, he used words which had power within themselves, and that if they can learn the words, they can undo the works of God. | |||
7. The small remnant of Jews who reject the teaching of the rabbis and Cabbala deny the Nation Israel is true Israel. | |||
8. Bonus round: Israel worshiped Jesus in the flesh as a false god. They wanted a deliverer in the flesh. They rejected the Messiah. Our previous work on the 'Triumphal entry' goes into details'. Those who were saved [ישע the flesh that loves the teaching] came as individuals, not as a nation. | |||
We could have had this discussion without the personal taunt. I wish you well. | |||
