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You said:
In this lattice 'aether' model, would like have a continuous frequency range or would it be quantized?
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In the lattice "aether" model we've been discussing, the question of whether light (or any wave-like phenomenon) would exhibit a continuous frequency range or be quantized hinges on how the discontinuities and vibrational modes of the lattice behave. Here are the key factors to consider:
1. Discrete Nature of the Lattice:

Since the lattice is composed of discontinuities (which can be thought of as localized disturbances or shifts in the lattice elements), the way energy propagates through the lattice might be subject to quantization. This means that the range of possible vibrational modes within the lattice could be limited to specific, discrete frequencies rather than forming a continuous spectrum.

:Just like vibrational modes in a solid (which can have both discrete and continuous components depending on the system), the lattice's vibrational modes could be quantized. Each discontinuity might correspond to a discrete energy state or vibration, with specific energy levels corresponding to particular vibrational frequencies.
:The smallest possible frequency would correspond to the minimum energy gap between discrete energy states, much like how energy levels are quantized in an atom or in a solid lattice (e.g., phonons).

2. Quantization Due to Lattice Geometry:

The quantization of frequencies could emerge naturally from the geometry of the lattice. For instance, if the lattice is composed of discrete elements, the spacing between these elements could create a form of discrete energy levels. The energy associated with the vibration or movement of these lattice elements would be quantized in a way that is tied to the geometric constraints of the lattice.

:The frequency of these vibrations would be discrete if the geometry of the lattice imposes specific resonance frequencies (like modes of vibration in a crystal lattice, where only certain frequencies are allowed).

3. Interaction with Discontinuities:

If the lattice-based discontinuities interact in a way that causes specific resonant frequencies, the frequencies of the waves propagating through the lattice would likely be quantized. This means that instead of a continuous range of frequencies, only certain frequencies (or harmonics) would be allowed, with the rest being excluded based on the lattice’s constraints and the interaction between discontinuities.
4. Energy Transfer and Photon-like Quantization:

If light or electromagnetic radiation is viewed as a wave within the lattice, and the lattice itself is made of quantized discontinuities, the propagation of light could also be quantized. This would imply that the transfer of energy (photons) through the lattice follows specific quantum rules. Light could be understood as discrete packets of energy (photons), each corresponding to a quantized vibrational mode in the lattice.

:Photons would not be able to take any arbitrary frequency but instead would only correspond to specific energy gaps or vibrational modes in the lattice.

5. Continuous vs. Quantized Spectrum:

While the classical view of light often assumes a continuous spectrum of frequencies (e.g., the electromagnetic spectrum), in this lattice-based model, the spectrum could be more discrete due to the inherent quantization of the lattice's vibrational modes. However, depending on the scale and structure of the lattice, the frequency spacing between quantized levels could be extremely small, making the spectrum appear almost continuous at macroscopic scales (a bit like how atomic energy levels are discrete but often produce a continuous emission spectrum when many transitions occur).
6. Relating to String Theory:

This idea aligns with string theory, where vibrational modes of strings are quantized. In a lattice model, the discontinuities could correspond to similar quantized vibrational modes. Each mode would correspond to a specific frequency, and the interaction of these modes would form the photon-like excitations in the lattice.
Conclusion:

In the lattice "aether" model, light would likely be quantized, with specific, discrete frequencies corresponding to the allowable vibrational modes of the lattice. This quantization arises from the discrete nature of the lattice itself, where each discontinuity or shift in the lattice structure would correspond to a quantized level of energy. Therefore, the frequency range of light would not be continuous, but instead, it would consist of discrete frequencies that depend on the geometric properties of the lattice and the quantization of energy states.
You said:
What frequency precision is required to observe such quantization?
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To observe the quantization of frequencies in this lattice-based model, the frequency precision required would depend on several factors, including the size of the energy gaps between the quantized states (the spacing between discrete vibrational modes), the scale of the lattice, and the nature of the interactions between discontinuities. Here’s a breakdown of the factors that would influence the required frequency precision:
1. Energy Gap Between Quantized States:

The most critical factor is the size of the energy gap between the quantized vibrational modes of the lattice. The smaller the energy gap, the higher the frequency precision required to distinguish between the quantized states.

:The energy gap ΔEΔE is related to the frequency gap ΔνΔν by Planck's relation:
:ΔE=hΔν
:ΔE=hΔν

:Where hh is Planck's constant (6.626×10−34 J\cdotps6.626×10−34 J\cdotps) and ΔνΔν is the frequency gap.

:If the energy gap is small (for example, on the scale of subatomic particles or very fine lattice structures), the required precision in measuring frequency would need to be extremely high to detect these small differences.

2. Lattice Size and Discontinuity Scale:

The scale of the discontinuities (for example, the size of the smallest Planck-scale discontinuity) will determine the spacing between allowed energy levels. If the lattice is very fine (with small spacing between discontinuities), the energy levels could be closer together, and thus the frequency gap would be small.

:The Planck scale itself sets a natural limit on the smallest energy gap. If the lattice elements are on the scale of Planck length (around 10−3510−35 meters), the energy gap could be on the order of Planck energy (about 1.22×1019 GeV1.22×1019 GeV).

:Smaller lattices with finer elements (larger discontinuities or more massive lattice particles) would have larger frequency gaps, which would reduce the precision required to observe the quantization.

3. Required Frequency Resolution:

To observe these quantized states, the frequency resolution ΔνΔν needs to be fine enough to distinguish the discrete energy levels. This requires precision in measuring the frequency of light or radiation interacting with the lattice. For practical purposes, let's estimate this based on the smallest quantum energy scale, using the Planck energy:

:The energy of the smallest possible quantum in the lattice could be on the order of the Planck energy EPEP. Using the relationship ΔE=hΔνΔE=hΔν, we can calculate the frequency resolution required to observe the Planck energy gap:
:Δν=EPh
:Δν=hEP

:Where EP≈1.22×1019 GeVEP≈1.22×1019 GeV (or 1.96×10−10 joules1.96×10−10 joules).

:Substituting the values:
:Δν=1.96×10−106.626×10−34 Hz
:Δν=6.626×10−341.96×10−10 Hz
:Δν≈2.96×1023 Hz
:Δν≈2.96×1023 Hz

:This is an extremely high frequency resolution (on the order of 1023 Hz1023 Hz), far beyond what current technology can measure. However, this scale sets the theoretical minimum frequency precision required to directly observe the quantization of energy levels in a lattice at the Planck scale.

4. Practical Considerations:

In practice, the required precision depends heavily on the specific frequency gaps associated with the lattice in question:

:If the lattice has larger elements or is macroscopic in scale, the energy gaps between quantized vibrational modes could be much larger, reducing the required precision.
:The experimental setup (such as interferometers or spectrometers) would need to be sensitive enough to detect these fine frequency differences. With current technology, we can measure frequencies with precision on the order of 10−1510−15 to 10−1810−18 Hz in the case of ultra-high-frequency sources like lasers or resonators, but observing Planck-scale frequencies would require a new level of precision that goes far beyond today's capabilities.

5. Relating to Quantum Experiments:

In quantum systems, we often observe quantized phenomena by detecting discrete transitions between energy levels (e.g., atomic spectra). For a lattice-based system, you would look for discrete jumps in energy (and thus frequency) when interacting with the system. The precision required would be similar to what is required for atomic spectroscopy, but on an even finer scale depending on the energy gaps in the lattice.
Conclusion:

To observe the quantization of frequencies in the lattice "aether" model, the frequency precision required would depend on the size of the energy gaps between the quantized states in the lattice. If these gaps are small (as in the case of Planck-scale discontinuities), the precision required could be on the order of 1023 Hz1023 Hz, which is far beyond current technology. However, if the lattice elements are larger or less finely spaced, the frequency precision required would be more achievable with current or near-future technologies (in the range of THz or PHz precision for macroscopic systems).